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RE: ViiPER | Trade Scam - ViiPER - 22-05-2015
Well byte its kinda obvious.. I saved this ages ago and I had no proof till I found the picture in "My Documents" also Confusion took screenshots of this trade apparently but now when you ask him he says he doesn't have any so we both took screenshots of the trade before we actually confirmed the trade and carry.. so ye.
Also, the reason this was so late because I thought everything was sorted out till Gutterfucker msged me saying "Plan on replying to the thread" and I just came here and replied since you said before to B1, "Its an abuse report, now Viiper has to come on and explain his side of the story.
Anyone can make an abuse report on any player."
Also if you can ask Confusion for any proof he wont have any because he knows that the screenshot he took ages ago when we done the trade was me saying I will carry you for the knife and I did so he will just pretend he lost the screenshot that he took when we first made the trade, all he done was take a picture of the trade which basically means nothing because I never said I didnt get the knife from Confusion I just said I got it and carried him for it.
So thats basically it if you dont believe me go ask Confusion for "proof" to back his side of the story up but till then the knife will be with me.
RE: ViiPER | Trade Scam - ViiPER - 22-05-2015
Confusion has also been really silent the past 4 days or so and all he gave proof of was the trade... so he basically gave no proof to back up his side
RE: ViiPER | Trade Scam - gutterfucker - 22-05-2015
(22-05-2015/01:25 AM)Byte Wrote:(21-05-2015/11:22 PM)ViiPER Wrote: Ok, so confusion that screenshot means jackshit.. I didnt say that you never gave me the knife I said that you gave me the knife to carry you and as I said until you have proof of me saying "Let me have it for 1 game and ill give it back" the knife will be with me and h0pz that was a total different story nothing to do with this...
Also, Confusion was making up some bullshit with B1 saying ViiPER scammed me with the name ViiPER // forgot what was after the // then B1 noticed that wasnt my name the night before and Confusion was just basically silent after that till the next day...
Theres your proof for all the admins that obviously would believe Confusion glhf
Extremely suspicious that you have an attachment discussing the 'deal' this late after the deal.
Why would you save that picture?
Especially considering that confusion kept silent for one day.
Picture seems forged.
(22-05-2015/01:28 AM)ViiPER Wrote: Well byte its kinda obvious.. I saved this ages ago and I had no proof till I found the picture in "My Documents" also Confusion took screenshots of this trade apparently but now when you ask him he says he doesn't have any so we both took screenshots of the trade before we actually confirmed the trade and carry.. so ye.
Also, the reason this was so late because I thought everything was sorted out till Gutterfucker msged me saying "Plan on replying to the thread" and I just came here and replied since you said before to B1, "Its an abuse report, now Viiper has to come on and explain his side of the story.
Anyone can make an abuse report on any player."
Also if you can ask Confusion for any proof he wont have any because he knows that the screenshot he took ages ago when we done the trade was me saying I will carry you for the knife and I did so he will just pretend he lost the screenshot that he took when we first made the trade, all he done was take a picture of the trade which basically means nothing because I never said I didnt get the knife from Confusion I just said I got it and carried him for it.
So thats basically it if you dont believe me go ask Confusion for "proof" to back his side of the story up but till then the knife will be with me.
Confusion took screenshots of his trade history at my request, not the trade in its action.
Where did you get the assumption that everything was sorted out?
If you see a Staff member saying "we will wait for x", chances are we're going to wait for x.
Again, he didn't screenshot the trade itself, or the chat to my knowledge. Just the history.
Confusion being silent means nothing. You were silent until I told you to reply to this thread.
He doesn't necessarily need to be debating this report with you either, that's not how courts do it and it isn't how we do it.
The jury debates it, and the defendant defends. The victim, on the other hand, "victims" for lack of a better word.
Allow me to say what I've already said; there have been communication issues here.
Both you and Confusion are to blame. Confusion didn't phrase his wording nearly as well as he should've, but you didn't interpret his offer as what it was obviously intended to be.
Tell me; do you really believe that he would pay you $60+ for carrying him for a single competitive game at low ranks?
Does that really seem right to you?
I'll throw it out there right now - if that seems right to you I see very little point in discussing this with you.
I can fully and wholly assure you that Confusion was not implying that he would be actually giving you the knife for a single game.
If he was intending that, why would we be having this debate at all?
Think it through.
The fact that you've already sold the knife despite this very present and fairly high-profile scam accusation is damning in my opinion.
Confusion has been foolish to not word his offer clearly enough, but you've been extremely shady to take advantage of that.
You fuckin' know damn well that he didn't intend to give you the knife for a single game. Don't bullshit me. You didn't even check with Confusion to see what exactly he meant.
This was not a scam, this was simply ViiPER taking advantage of a deal that wasn't explained well. However, if it weren't to be classified as such, it'd be a scam for lack of better term.
Confusion, be more careful in future, no matter how much you trust the person you trade to.
RE: ViiPER | Trade Scam - Censor - 22-05-2015
Lol i completely agree with gutter..ur acting childish viper and you know that. But you've already sold it and taken advantage of it so...gg it's over.
RE: ViiPER | Trade Scam - gutterfucker - 22-05-2015
ViiPER did claim that, if given evidence, he'd buy the same sort of knife back and give it to Confusion, for the record. It now comes down to whether ViiPER will hold to his promise of returning the knife.
Make no mistake, my above text fully constitutes as evidence until otherwise can be proven.
ViiPER, we'll await your response.
RE: ViiPER | Trade Scam - ViiPER - 22-05-2015
(22-05-2015/12:15 PM)gutterfucker Wrote: ViiPER did claim that, if given evidence, he'd buy the same sort of knife back and give it to Confusion, for the record. It now comes down to whether ViiPER will hold to his promise of returning the knife.
Make no mistake, my above text fully constitutes as evidence until otherwise can be proven.
ViiPER, we'll await your response.
Gutter as I said I wont be giving the knife back anytime soon unless he shows you guys proof of me saying I want it for one game even if he did make a mistake in his wording I did not scam him in anyway, so ye I wont be giving the knife back till he has proof of me scamming him.
RE: ViiPER | Trade Scam - gutterfucker - 22-05-2015
(22-05-2015/04:20 PM)ViiPER Wrote:(22-05-2015/12:15 PM)gutterfucker Wrote: ViiPER did claim that, if given evidence, he'd buy the same sort of knife back and give it to Confusion, for the record. It now comes down to whether ViiPER will hold to his promise of returning the knife.
Make no mistake, my above text fully constitutes as evidence until otherwise can be proven.
ViiPER, we'll await your response.
Gutter as I said I wont be giving the knife back anytime soon unless he shows you guys proof of me saying I want it for one game even if he did make a mistake in his wording I did not scam him in anyway, so ye I wont be giving the knife back till he has proof of me scamming him.
You are knowingly asking for something that does not exist.
The way Confusion's offer was worded makes it impossible to directly prove that you "scammed" him. However, it is directly possible to prove that you took advantage of his wording for your own benefit. You are well aware of this.
The following does not represent anyone's viewpoint other than my own. Excuse me if I appear unprofessional.
Let me make something perfectly clear; you are not negotiating. You are defending. You are trying to bargain with me, and it's not going to work; partially because you're fully aware that you're asking for something that does not exist.
As far as I'm concerned, this case has been mostly resolved. Anyone is welcome to come forward with reasoning to state otherwise if needed, but everything on the table right now has been discussed.
ViiPER, if you have clear, firm evidence that you didn't take advantage of Confusion's offer, please present it.
If the conclusion were down to me, I'd simply present you with two options; keep the knife and be permanently banned, or give the knife back and remain a Member of Invex, no tricks or strings attached other than the assuration that any future similar issues will be treated like acidic waste.
However, this means nothing as the conclusion will be handled by a Staff member.
Again, the above paragraph is purely my own unprofessional opinion. It is in no way indicative of anything other than my own viewpoint.
RE: ViiPER | Trade Scam - confusiion - 22-05-2015
it worries me how viiper was so prepared for this! People have told me including high ranked staff saying "Viiper has a scamming history"
I understand I shouldn't have given viiper the knife. But so many people don't understand why you would do this. Viiper has been saying that people only beileve me because I'm "admin". A person on Invex "Lick me silly" has this chat of viiper & jellyeh. sorry for involving you jelly.
Lick Me Silly: Jellyeh: Pretty Obvious your Saying lol cause you don't think you'll get caught
Jellyeh: after the various times you have tried
Jellyeh: your gettinga little Paranoid now and trying to justify your self when you don't have to proof anything to me
Jellyeh: your just making it more and more obvious
Jellyeh: that your a scammer mate
Jellyeh: XD
ViiPER (2): So im making it obvious by saying lol?
ViiPER (2): Cute cunt
Jellyeh: your just making it worse
Jellyeh: for your self
Jellyeh: and the fact that you didn't deny that you were getting paranoid and trying to justify yourself
Jellyeh: just means it true
ViiPER (2): No im not lol ur a no body u just come on here and scam and think ur all cool over the internet and get bullied at school.
Jellyeh: Hmmmm Bullied at school aye?
Jellyeh: so your in school
Jellyeh: as it clearly
Jellyeh: says
Jellyeh: i'm 25
Jellyeh: Who the fuck
Jellyeh: is 25 and at school
ViiPER (2): Thats the point..
ViiPER (2): Your not 25.
ViiPER (2): Your 13 and acting old..
Jellyeh: Really
ViiPER (2): Ye really.
Jellyeh: I'm 13 acting old
Jellyeh: how did you come to this conculsion?
ViiPER (2): Cause its kinda obv..
ViiPER (2): Your acting all smart
ViiPER (2): mate.
Jellyeh: Wow
Jellyeh: No Proof whats so Ever
Jellyeh: and you come to that statement
Jellyeh: your actually so pathetic
Jellyeh: you couldn't think of anything else
Jellyeh: so you come up with your 13 and acting old
Jellyeh: Good Job mate
Jellyeh: Clap clap.
Jellyeh: your just mad
Jellyeh: i just Busted you so bad
Jellyeh: and your just making it more obvious by the second
Jellyeh: that your a scammer
ViiPER (2): HOLY FUCK
ViiPER (2): HOW DID U BUST ME
ViiPER (2): HOW?
Jellyeh: XD
Jellyeh: capps really?
ViiPER (2): IM NOT A SCAMMER
Jellyeh: you must be aggrovated
ViiPER (2): UR NOT EVEN IN THIS
ViiPER (2): SO STFU
ViiPER (2): AND STAY OUT..
ViiPER (2): BYE
Jellyeh: Bye mate
ViiPER is now Offline.
Jellyeh: your obviously are a scammer
Lick Me Silly: Its Blantant
Lick Me Silly: as fuck
Take your time and read everything everyone has said about this post its a serious matter that MUST be handled properly!
RE: ViiPER | Trade Scam - Byte - 23-05-2015
The staff have reviewed all the evidence and we have decided to temporarily ban Viipers account until the original knife (as an item) is returned. Unfortunately this may not happen.
This decision is based on Viipers story, Confusions story but more importantly some information provided by an anonymous user which is conclusive.
Viiper will also have his Invex member status removed but his forum account will remain unbanned so that he can dispute the ban or add further evidence (or perhaps admit wrong doing which may lead to an unban).