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RE: "Favouritism" - fluxxx - 19-04-2017
(19-04-2017/05:18 PM)Byte Wrote:I think 1 would be the best option because when I warden it is (as @"Llyynx" said) forgive one, forgive all, don't forgive one, can't forgive anyone. I personally think this rule needs to be cleared up as soon as possible.(19-04-2017/04:51 PM)Squidward Wrote: Byte Doesn't rule D17's statement "including equal punishment for not following orders" mean that if two prisoners rebel in the same "fashion" eg. both attempt to rush to armoury, they must receive the same punishment?
D17 is only a definition, not a rule.
But I guess its a little unclear, for some reasons I didn't think of rebelling when I read 'not following orders'.
I'm not too sure what the best solution is:
- Allow warden to pick who they want to forgive (absolute control), OR
- Warden has to forgive all that did the same crime (i.e. if they forgive 1 person who didn't button freeze, they must forgive all who didn't button freeze)
RE: "Favouritism" - asriel - 19-04-2017
" I feel that the "Favouritism" rule should be over ruled depending on what the Rebeller has done "
hasn't it always been this way..?
RE: "Favouritism" - Andi - 19-04-2017
(19-04-2017/04:26 PM)Byte Wrote: Now what you are saying is the warden can't pick favourites with who he forgives.
This is wrong. The warden can forgive only their friends or people they like.
Byte so is this means i can forgive my friend then deny someone who ask for forgiveness?
RE: "Favouritism" - Byte - 19-04-2017
(19-04-2017/07:48 PM)Andi Wrote:(19-04-2017/04:26 PM)Byte Wrote: Now what you are saying is the warden can't pick favourites with who he forgives.
This is wrong. The warden can forgive only their friends or people they like.
Byte so is this means i can forgive my friend then deny someone who ask for forgiveness?
That is what I thought the rules meant but they are unclear.
Also I'm guessing that would cause a lot of issues for people who would complain they weren't forgiven when the wardens friends were.
After some more discussion the rules can be updated for this particular issue.
RE: "Favouritism" - Forgotten - 19-04-2017
Just saying Byte, admins have always enforced favouritism as letting one T be forgiven and the other not, as they've both done the same thing. One T is 'favouritised' over the other because he/she is her/his friend = Favouritism - admins have always done it, ever since I've joined Invex.
IMO, best not to change it to 'Warden decides who gets to be forgiven individually, even if they've done the same thing', it stops a lot of arguing and if we change it, most people don't notice when there's any change in the rules because everyone skips the MOTD and I'd say 75% of players don't have forum accounts, so when they CT and find that they're allowed to pick who they want to be forgiven, it's going to cause a very big outrage.
RE: "Favouritism" - Masta - 19-04-2017
I agree with Forgotten the rules should be amended so that it does state that favoritism should be included in the forgiveness of rebelling prisoners. It just makes sense to me.
RE: "Favouritism" - Crona - 20-04-2017
Byte All admins have said from what I can remember for a year that if you forgive 1 you must forgive all and if you don't forgive 1 you can't forgive anyone else. Don't mean to sound rude but everyone but your self acknowledged this as a general rule.
RE: "Favouritism" - Byte - 20-04-2017
(20-04-2017/09:09 AM)Crona Wrote: Byte All admins have said from what I can remember for a year that if you forgive 1 you must forgive all and if you don't forgive 1 you can't forgive anyone else. Don't mean to sound rude but everyone but your self acknowledged this as a general rule.
I go off the Jailbreak rules which everybody (including new players) are meant to follow.
Sometimes its not clear what some rules means and the rules should be changed to fix that.
Players and especially admins need to stop pulling random rules out of their ass which the other players then start believing/following and enforcing onto others.
If you look at the main rule it states:
CT13: Rebelling PRISONERS may request to SURRENDER. This means they will BUTTON FREEZE and ask the WARDEN for forgiveness. The WARDEN must acknowledge this request and accept or deny it (without tricking/changing their mind).
Pretty clear from that the warden gets to decide what to do.
I also think the 'forgive 1 forgive all' idea is stupid.
If 2 prisoners jump/move a little bit but the other one jetpacked towards warden and killed 2 then escaped, are you saying you have to kill or forgive all three?
I'm thinking maybe prisoners who damage (or kill) guards can't be forgiven?
Or the warden must not favourtise when forgiving equivalent rebellious acts.
This way you can forgive people in groups based on what they did.
RE: "Favouritism" - Crona - 20-04-2017
Byte us admins have said that you don't have to forgive a prisoner if they rebel more severely than others, we usually go by stages like moving by accident is low tier rebelling and running away and shooting at a CT is high tier rebelling. It helps to stop abuse on the server as you could call kos on someone that moved by accident but on the other forgive a rebeller that killed two of your CTs, the prisoner that moved would be gutted to know that he was killed for something so little, I think new people would leave or abuse the warden knowing they were unfairly treated.
RE: "Favouritism" - Andi - 20-04-2017
(20-04-2017/09:22 AM)Byte Wrote: Players and especially admins need to stop pulling random rules out of their ass which the other players then start believing/following and enforcing onto others.yes Byte you tell them Forgotten @"Llyynx" Razor Crona n8 TNK @"Cpt. Magikarp" PoosKi Squidward