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RE: CT38 Interpretation - Sleep - 05-11-2019
(05-11-2019/04:51 PM)Katsu Wrote:Because as can be seen almost everyone has agreed it doesn't have to be 30 seconds which has me unsure.(05-11-2019/04:45 PM)Sleep Wrote:The rule says 30 seconds just do 30 seconds dude why tf does it have to be overcomplicated for?(05-11-2019/04:43 PM)Byte Wrote: Okay so I was originally in charge of adding this rule.
Basically the idea is, once you hit the LR period as a T you become a little 'free' and can move around and relax (stop following orders).
Its your reward for surviving until the end of the round which is different to what most other servers do.
I strongly feel like this is more fun and laid back.
The only 2 orders guards (any guard) can provide is to not come dangerously close (to prevent easily backstab rebels) and to start LR within 30 seconds.
Delaying is still against the rules and any intentional/lengthy delays will be hit up with warn/slay/swap/ct ban etc. You can play out the LR however you like but sitting knifing a wall for 5 minutes won't flow.
What issues/suggestions do people have with the rule?
ALSO: Wrong section, moving this to Jailbreak discussion.
So are guards able to say to start the LR within 20 seconds or 1 minute or is it only 30 seconds?
RE: CT38 Interpretation - Katsu - 05-11-2019
(05-11-2019/04:52 PM)Sleep Wrote:(05-11-2019/04:51 PM)Katsu Wrote:Because as can be seen almost everyone has agreed it doesn't have to be 30 seconds which has me unsure.(05-11-2019/04:45 PM)Sleep Wrote:The rule says 30 seconds just do 30 seconds dude why tf does it have to be overcomplicated for?(05-11-2019/04:43 PM)Byte Wrote: Okay so I was originally in charge of adding this rule.
Basically the idea is, once you hit the LR period as a T you become a little 'free' and can move around and relax (stop following orders).
Its your reward for surviving until the end of the round which is different to what most other servers do.
I strongly feel like this is more fun and laid back.
The only 2 orders guards (any guard) can provide is to not come dangerously close (to prevent easily backstab rebels) and to start LR within 30 seconds.
Delaying is still against the rules and any intentional/lengthy delays will be hit up with warn/slay/swap/ct ban etc. You can play out the LR however you like but sitting knifing a wall for 5 minutes won't flow.
What issues/suggestions do people have with the rule?
ALSO: Wrong section, moving this to Jailbreak discussion.
So are guards able to say to start the LR within 20 seconds or 1 minute or is it only 30 seconds?
My point is, will you win the lotto if you say lr in 20 seconds or lr in 15 minutes. I think its common sense that there are 30 prisoners waiting to play, to get to lr asap.
RE: CT38 Interpretation - Sleep - 05-11-2019
(05-11-2019/04:43 PM)Byte Wrote: Okay so I was originally in charge of adding this rule.
Basically the idea is, once you hit the LR period as a T you become a little 'free' and can move around and relax (stop following orders).
Its your reward for surviving until the end of the round which is different to what most other servers do.
I strongly feel like this is more fun and laid back.
The only 2 orders guards (any guard) can provide is to not come dangerously close (to prevent easily backstab rebels) and to start LR within 30 seconds.
Delaying is still against the rules and any intentional/lengthy delays will be hit up with warn/slay/swap/ct ban etc. You can play out the LR however you like but sitting knifing a wall for 5 minutes won't flow.
What issues/suggestions do people have with the rule?
ALSO: Wrong section, moving this to Jailbreak discussion.
To answer you question I think that LR is a great feature and rewards those playing through the game. The issue comes with clashes over the meaning/interpretation of this rule. As I previously replied does the given time have to be 30 seconds and also is it fine for the Ts and CTs to play map game until time is over as this is what your post implies to me. If that were the case I think allowing them to do nothing until the end of round is a bit excessive as there can be a large amount of people sitting waiting to play which lowers the enjoyment for them, so a balance between rewarding those who live and also not punishing those who die to much would be the best approach.
RE: CT38 Interpretation - Sleep - 05-11-2019
(05-11-2019/05:02 PM)akmal Wrote: 7 pages all for a question you could have privately messaged Byte for clarification. Even though many other players had helped give clarification in game, you created a forum thread and it looks as if you're getting the same replies over and over again. As you're asking the same questions over and over again.
1. Byte has asked to not message him as often as he has other things to manage.
2. The idea was that by posting on the forum it was open to a discussion of the topic. This was happening as people were giving their different interpretations and adding to the topic which was furthering the seccondary need of clarification of what the rule actually meant as if you read through the replies many people had different opinions as to what was right.
RE: CT38 Interpretation - squief - 05-11-2019
tbh you could of just not said anything as a guard and wait until warden says the orders and if he doesnt you can ask him to say it etc...
the problem we are having with you is that you micspam "LR IN 30 SECONDS, DANGEROUSLY CLOSE KOS" when the warden has already said specific orders before you saying that.
RE: CT38 Interpretation - vulture - 05-11-2019
shut the front door Sleep
RE: CT38 Interpretation - Sleep - 05-11-2019
(05-11-2019/05:08 PM)squief Wrote: tbh you could of just not said anything as a guard and wait until warden says the orders and if he doesnt you can ask him to say it etc...
the problem we are having with you is that you micspam "LR IN 30 SECONDS, DANGEROUSLY CLOSE KOS" when the warden has already said specific orders before you saying that.
Squief I don't think I ever mic-spammed over a warden giving and either way it isn't relevant as a guard can give the orders as well. You're creating a hypthetical to attack me that just hasn't happened.
RE: CT38 Interpretation - Sleep - 05-11-2019
(05-11-2019/05:10 PM)fluxxx Wrote:" If you have an issue, follow these steps in the following order:(05-11-2019/05:05 PM)Sleep Wrote:(05-11-2019/05:02 PM)akmal Wrote: 7 pages all for a question you could have privately messaged Byte for clarification. Even though many other players had helped give clarification in game, you created a forum thread and it looks as if you're getting the same replies over and over again. As you're asking the same questions over and over again.
1. Byte has asked to not message him as often as he has other things to manage.
2. The idea was that by posting on the forum it was open to a discussion of the topic. This was happening as people were giving their different interpretations and adding to the topic which was furthering the seccondary need of clarification of what the rule actually meant as if you read through the replies many people had different opinions as to what was right.
No he said not to message him out of the forum messages
- Make a post on the forums in the support and bug reports section (if you don't make one you will be ignored until you do).
- PM an admin or staff member if you have no reply for at least 72 hours
- If you don't have access to the forums, email: [email protected] instead"
RE: CT38 Interpretation - Magikarp - 05-11-2019
Sleep Yes you are right in saying any guard can give "LR in 30 secs" orders. However the warden can and will always overrule that as they are the warden.
T's can not delay LR in any way. If they take too long to LR you may kill them unless stated otherwise by the warden.
The rules are very easy to read and very simple to understand. There where 55 players on at 1 time with 1 admin and no one got banned for breaking rules.
There are some rules that require a bit of common sense. You shouldn't try to nitpick or specifically pick on the way they are worded as it is general rules.
If you need clarification on any rule please discord msg me.
Please do not reply any further to this thread. I am closing it when I can.
RE: CT38 Interpretation - Craziboy_1 - 05-11-2019
(05-11-2019/04:43 PM)Byte Wrote: Okay so I was originally in charge of adding this rule.
Basically the idea is, once you hit the LR period as a T you become a little 'free' and can move around and relax (stop following orders).
Its your reward for surviving until the end of the round which is different to what most other servers do.
I strongly feel like this is more fun and laid back.
The only 2 orders guards (any guard) can provide is to not come dangerously close (to prevent easily backstab rebels) and to start LR within 30 seconds.
Delaying is still against the rules and any intentional/lengthy delays will be hit up with warn/slay/swap/ct ban etc. You can play out the LR however you like but sitting knifing a wall for 5 minutes won't flow.
What issues/suggestions do people have with the rule?
ALSO: Wrong section, moving this to Jailbreak discussion.
CT38: GUARDS and WARDENS cannot give orders to SURVIVING PRISONERS in any way. This includes telling them to FREEZE. However, they can order that a SURVIVING PRISONER begins an LR within 30 seconds and does not come dangerously close to any GUARD.
This rule allows ALL CT's to give those two orders. However, it does not state anywhere on the rules thread that CT's HAVE to give these orders. What I would suggest would be an edit clearly stating when the LR period begins, Surviving Prisoners MUST LR within 30 seconds (or a SPECIFIED time frame). This is because if a new player makes it to the LR stage and DOES NOT order a T to LR, they are not breaking any rules. There is also no rules AGAINST delaying outside of CT10, CT36 and T8 which ONLY apply to rebeling and ACTIVE LR's. A new player who is looking to troll can easily delay a round up to 5+ minutes, preventing over 10+ players from playing simply due to this hole.
You also have rules that contradict each other e.g CT4: GUARDS may give out orders to individuals but their orders can be overruled by the WARDEN.
When applied to this situation (CT38), the Warden CAN overturn a GUARD'S order to remain out of knifing distance AND the LR within 30 order. This means a CT and T can remain on the map during LR period without needing to LR as it is not breaking ANY RULES. What the fuss here is about old server members having their own form of rules which is unwritten and brushed off as 'common sense'.
What Sleep and I are requesting is an overhaul of these rules to patch up these holes. You've seen what happens when just the two of us POINT THEM OUT. Not using and abusing, just stating that they are there to be abused. This has had fallout in the discord and in game with extreme amounts of harassment. Imagine what would happen if a troll got onto the server and actively abused these holes.
What Sleep and I have ever wanted out of this discussion was a COMMUNITY BASED revise of the rules they play by as it is significantly different from what the ACTUAL rules are. The sever currently plays with several HIDDEN rules and mechanics which are never stated anywhere and are just expected of players to figure out with 'common sense'. For example, delaying, there are a few niche rules about it, but nothing stops a Warden from locking all T's inside solitary and leaving them there. Not allowing T's to use LR's such as Russian Roulette to spawn CT's into areas where they will die. These NEED to be written down and added to the rule list if you expect them to be abided by.
T rules are extremely unclear on punishments as well. Under the CT rules headline, it clearly states: "If any of these rules are broken, Guards may be slayed/swapped and/or CT banned." Nothing like this exists for the T rules. T rules 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 9 can be seen as 'rebel' rules which result in a kos if broken. However T rules 5, 7, 8 and 10 have resulted in bans when broken. This needs to be cleared up.
TL: DR, there are abuseable holes in the rules that should be patched up. There are several vague rules which should be clarified and several T rules which should be reclassed due to the extreme difference in punishment.
We believe this should occur because of the REVAMP which should see an increase in new players. The rules should be clear and fair for them to understand without having to bug older players for the unwritten rules.
Sorry for posting in the wrong area and thank you for reading Byte
Also, pointing out flaws isn't inherently wrong, however bashing people for doing so is. Quit it.
Also, Also, this is a suggestion/discussion thread, leave your irrelevant posts in drafts. Again, this is a revamp, we are supposed to be bettering ourselves and this community.