(23-03-2018/11:40 AM)Razor Wrote:

(23-03-2018/07:30 AM)Mathew_1 Wrote:

(22-03-2018/06:19 PM)Razor Wrote: delete bigloop please ~ all invex surf players

No need to blame the map when you die either, if you're a decent surfer you would be able to figure out how to play it well

LOL the map is a fucking bhop map, no one utilises the ramps except to get a gun, please change your statement to decent bhopper.

(23-03-2018/07:30 AM)Mathew_1 Wrote: doesn't even need telecamping rules
Also it is not delay at all
Also it is not delay at all
Also it is not delay at all

I don't know if you've ever played the map, but as a surf admin you probably should have, it actually contains teleporters, I can show you where they are if you would like.
I can also give you an example of me bhopping for 4 minutes but honestly I don't think that should be necessary.

(23-03-2018/07:30 AM)Mathew_1 Wrote: Sorry, bigloop will not be deleted out of the map pool.

Funnily enough you don't actually have the power to choose exactly which maps are in the pool as well, you have some power over it as a surf admin, but you aren't the only admin, so please don't act like it.

If the community doesn't want ski or griver or air arena etc, they don't play those maps, the player base drops during those maps, and people play less and less until it gets solved, I may be wrong but I've only seen one person against this so far. It doesn't bother me too much whether it gets removed or not, I'm fine with not playing.

(23-03-2018/11:40 AM)Razor Wrote:

(23-03-2018/07:30 AM)Mathew_1 Wrote:

(22-03-2018/06:19 PM)Razor Wrote: delete bigloop please ~ all invex surf players

No need to blame the map when you die either, if you're a decent surfer you would be able to figure out how to play it well

LOL the map is a fucking bhop map, no one utilises the ramps except to get a gun, please change your statement to decent bhopper.

(23-03-2018/07:30 AM)Mathew_1 Wrote: doesn't even need telecamping rules
Also it is not delay at all
Also it is not delay at all
Also it is not delay at all

I don't know if you've ever played the map, but as a surf admin you probably should have, it actually contains teleporters, I can show you where they are if you would like.
I can also give you an example of me bhopping for 4 minutes but honestly I don't think that should be necessary.

(23-03-2018/07:30 AM)Mathew_1 Wrote: Sorry, bigloop will not be deleted out of the map pool.

Funnily enough you don't actually have the power to choose exactly which maps are in the pool as well, you have some power over it as a surf admin, but you aren't the only admin, so please don't act like it.

If the community doesn't want ski or griver or air arena etc, they don't play those maps, the player base drops during those maps, and people play less and less until it gets solved, I may be wrong but I've only seen one person against this so far. It doesn't bother me too much whether it gets removed or not, I'm fine with not playing.

(23-03-2018/10:11 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: This is by far the worst response and easiest to argue against that I have seen.

You've also chosen the wrong person to argue about this with, why is that? Well its because I'm a very long time surf player (end of 2015), and the last time I checked, had the most pt on surf. Also, I actually play Combat Surf, unlike you, in fact I have never seen you on surf myself, or if I have, it would've been a long time ago in which I cannot remember.

So basically, I have no idea how you are even able to suggest that bigloop should be removed, because as you stated, you dont play surf.

Now first things first, Bigloop is not a bhop map. Many decent players don't bhop the whole game. It would be stupid to only bhop on it because that would be an easy way to get yourself killed. I'm sure that it would be more difficult to kill a player up in the air surfing than to kill one who is bhopping. So it's not a bhop map, many decent surfers use the ramps and elevator a lot.
Think about this Razor you've got bad players at the bottom bhopping, so the smart thing to do is surf, as they would be trying to bhop and wont be looking above them, so if you surf around and shoot down, then you have a much larger advantage.
So yes, the ramps are used but only smart players will use them, this is why people complain when Beax kills them, but its only because he plays it smart.
Another thing with that, just because some people wont use the ramps many times does not mean the map should be removed. What about maps like griver and rebel, many people just camp rails on griver and don't even surf. And with rebel, its not combat surf, its surf and then combat, which is completely different. In fact, rebel is a skill surf map, so why is it on combat surf?? Ill tell you now, 95% of kills occur in the jail of rebel, where there is NO ramps to surf on. So how is it combat surf???

I can't believe what you decided to write in the second part. As a surf admin, I have played the map, yes, and as a surf admin, I actually know how the rules will work. Let me explain to you why we have telecamping rules: this is because of an unfair advantage as players will lose speed after entering a teleporter and is impossible to react as quickly as the camper can.
In bigloop, the teleporters allow you to boost out, having no disadvantage against any other players. No admin will slay a player for instantly killing someone who comes out of the teleporters on bigloop.
You might argue that dust2 jail also allows you to boost out, meaning that camping jail should be allowed. Well, reasons against this are that it only allows you to boost out through one direction, where you must go straight for a period of time before you can turn left or right, as you are surrounded by walls from both sides.

I find it very funny how you quoted me more than once on "Also it is not delay at all". Funny thing is, it is one of the least delay maps, which is probably why many people like it. It is not easy to gain speed and keep it for very very long to delay, it doesn't have any teleporters other than the 4 which put you in jail, and it is not a large map.
If you want delay there are so many other maps that you can talk about, but we don't see anyone telling people to take griver out, or rebel out.

And yes, it will not be removed. No I don't have the power to keep the map in the pool. But I can assure you the map will not be taken out anytime soon, as players love the map and continue to choose to play it.

That's right Razor. People play less until it gets solved. But explain something to me please. Why should a map be removed when it is played often. I'm sure if everybody disliked it, then it wouldn't be played!

(23-03-2018/10:11 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: Beax kills them, but its only because he plays it smart.

(23-03-2018/10:11 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: It is not easy to gain speed and keep it for very very long to delay
It is not easy to gain speed

(23-03-2018/10:11 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: players love the map and continue to choose to play it.

(19-03-2018/07:00 PM)boostmeister Wrote: get rid of bigloop too plz xd

(22-03-2018/06:45 PM)Lil Bro Wrote:

(22-03-2018/06:19 PM)Razor Wrote: delete bigloop please ~ all invex surf players

(22-03-2018/06:52 PM)Jae Wrote:

(22-03-2018/06:19 PM)Razor Wrote: delete bigloop please ~ all invex surf players

YES if you wanna play combat bhop there are servers for that, big loop is just elevator campers and bhoppers

(22-03-2018/07:24 PM)Collectorman Wrote:

(22-03-2018/06:19 PM)Razor Wrote: delete bigloop please ~ all invex surf players

yes can agree

(24-02-2018/05:29 PM)Lil Bro Wrote: remove bigloop from the map pool

(23-03-2018/11:44 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: @"lil bro" Jae @boostmeister @ihaveanafro @collectorman aru Razor I am curious to know why you guys dislike bigloop and want it remove, just wanna know whats the fuss about it for you guys.

(23-03-2018/10:54 PM)Razor Wrote:

(23-03-2018/10:11 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: This is by far the worst response and easiest to argue against that I have seen.

You've also chosen the wrong person to argue about this with, why is that? Well its because I'm a very long time surf player (end of 2015), and the last time I checked, had the most pt on surf. Also, I actually play Combat Surf, unlike you, in fact I have never seen you on surf myself, or if I have, it would've been a long time ago in which I cannot remember.

So basically, I have no idea how you are even able to suggest that bigloop should be removed, because as you stated, you dont play surf.

Now first things first, Bigloop is not a bhop map. Many decent players don't bhop the whole game. It would be stupid to only bhop on it because that would be an easy way to get yourself killed. I'm sure that it would be more difficult to kill a player up in the air surfing than to kill one who is bhopping. So it's not a bhop map, many decent surfers use the ramps and elevator a lot.
Think about this Razor you've got bad players at the bottom bhopping, so the smart thing to do is surf, as they would be trying to bhop and wont be looking above them, so if you surf around and shoot down, then you have a much larger advantage.
So yes, the ramps are used but only smart players will use them, this is why people complain when Beax kills them, but its only because he plays it smart.
Another thing with that, just because some people wont use the ramps many times does not mean the map should be removed. What about maps like griver and rebel, many people just camp rails on griver and don't even surf. And with rebel, its not combat surf, its surf and then combat, which is completely different. In fact, rebel is a skill surf map, so why is it on combat surf?? Ill tell you now, 95% of kills occur in the jail of rebel, where there is NO ramps to surf on. So how is it combat surf???

I can't believe what you decided to write in the second part. As a surf admin, I have played the map, yes, and as a surf admin, I actually know how the rules will work. Let me explain to you why we have telecamping rules: this is because of an unfair advantage as players will lose speed after entering a teleporter and is impossible to react as quickly as the camper can.
In bigloop, the teleporters allow you to boost out, having no disadvantage against any other players. No admin will slay a player for instantly killing someone who comes out of the teleporters on bigloop.
You might argue that dust2 jail also allows you to boost out, meaning that camping jail should be allowed. Well, reasons against this are that it only allows you to boost out through one direction, where you must go straight for a period of time before you can turn left or right, as you are surrounded by walls from both sides.

I find it very funny how you quoted me more than once on "Also it is not delay at all". Funny thing is, it is one of the least delay maps, which is probably why many people like it. It is not easy to gain speed and keep it for very very long to delay, it doesn't have any teleporters other than the 4 which put you in jail, and it is not a large map.
If you want delay there are so many other maps that you can talk about, but we don't see anyone telling people to take griver out, or rebel out.

And yes, it will not be removed. No I don't have the power to keep the map in the pool. But I can assure you the map will not be taken out anytime soon, as players love the map and continue to choose to play it.

That's right Razor. People play less until it gets solved. But explain something to me please. Why should a map be removed when it is played often. I'm sure if everybody disliked it, then it wouldn't be played!

Lol you're from 2015 you're pretty special dude, so am I, I also require special needs
If you've never seen me on you're probably a pretty inactive admin and don't deserve to be admin, sorry but being more inactive than Andi is pretty bad.

(23-03-2018/10:11 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: Beax kills them, but its only because he plays it smart.

HAHAHAHAHHAHA.

Also when did I say rebel is a good map, at least it requires some skill to surf, whether you're able to or not is completely irrelevant, I'm sorry if you get killed in jail a lot, you'll get there one day buddy.

(23-03-2018/10:11 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: It is not easy to gain speed and keep it for very very long to delay
It is not easy to gain speed

http://www.autismawareness.com.au/could-it-be-autism/understanding-autism/
I'm pretty sure even Trident can keep speed on bigloop.

(23-03-2018/10:11 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: players love the map and continue to choose to play it.

(19-03-2018/07:00 PM)boostmeister Wrote: get rid of bigloop too plz xd

(22-03-2018/06:45 PM)Lil Bro Wrote:

(22-03-2018/06:19 PM)Razor Wrote: delete bigloop please ~ all invex surf players

(22-03-2018/06:52 PM)Jae Wrote:

(22-03-2018/06:19 PM)Razor Wrote: delete bigloop please ~ all invex surf players

YES if you wanna play combat bhop there are servers for that, big loop is just elevator campers and bhoppers

(22-03-2018/07:24 PM)Collectorman Wrote:

(22-03-2018/06:19 PM)Razor Wrote: delete bigloop please ~ all invex surf players

yes can agree

(24-02-2018/05:29 PM)Lil Bro Wrote: remove bigloop from the map pool

Yeah the community loves bigloop btw.
I'm glad that you and beax are the community.

(23-03-2018/11:44 PM)Mathew_1 Wrote: @"lil bro" Jae @boostmeister @ihaveanafro @collectorman aru Razor I am curious to know why you guys dislike bigloop and want it remove, just wanna know whats the fuss about it for you guys.