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"Favouritism" - BUTT NUGGET - 19-04-2017
"Favouritism"
So These past few days there has been a lot of confusion with the whole "can i be forgiven" saying and if denied people screaming out "Favouritism" and this really annoyed me even on the "T" side.
I feel that the "Favouritism" rule should be over ruled depending on what the Rebeler has done, for example.
If He/She maybe walks forward a slight when given the "Button Freeze" command and get forgiven but someone else kills a "CT" and is not forgiven this SHOULD NOT be considered "Favouritism" because these are two different Rebels.
Please leave you opinion below, thanks 
-BUTT NUGGET 
RE: "Favouritism" - fluxxx - 19-04-2017
+1
RE: "Favouritism" - Squidward - 19-04-2017
It's pretty much already like this. You just have to use common sense ie. someone who jumps on a beam can be forgiven but if someone else rebels and kills a CT you don't have to forgive them
RE: "Favouritism" - BUTT NUGGET - 19-04-2017
(19-04-2017/04:09 PM)Squidward Wrote: It's pretty much already like this. You just have to use common sense ie. someone who jumps on a beam can be forgiven but if someone else rebels and kills a CT you don't have to forgive them
Ok thanks, this can clear up peoples confusion
RE: "Favouritism" - Byte - 19-04-2017
Here are the relevant rules:
CT13: Rebelling PRISONERS may request to SURRENDER. This means they will BUTTON FREEZE and ask the WARDEN for forgiveness. The WARDEN must acknowledge this request and accept or deny it (without tricking/changing their mind).
D17: Favouritism - This means that GUARDS must treat all PRISONERS equally during the activities of every round, including equal punishment for not following orders, and ensuring that no PRISONER is rewarded without completing an active objective that other PRISONERS have.
CT38: GUARDS cannot play favourites with PRISONERS.
T9: Rebelling PRISONERS may ask the WARDEN for forgiveness. They must BUTTON FREEZE when making this request.
Basically two different things.
If you rebel, you can/will be shot at/killed.
However, if you ask for forgiveness (while button frozen) the warden can forgive you if they want.
Now what you are saying is the warden can't pick favourites with who he forgives.
This is wrong. The warden can forgive only their friends or people they like.
You rebelled and are thus KOS, you asking for forgiveness doesn't mean you automatically get it before someone else does.
Favouritism only affects non-rebelling prisoners in map games or in general.
I.e. you cant let someone sit out or give a better prize to one of the winners, those kinds of things.
Not sure what your suggestion is exactly, I think you are saying Warden should no longer be able to forgive a prisoner that has killed a guard?
RE: "Favouritism" - BUTT NUGGET - 19-04-2017
(19-04-2017/04:26 PM)Byte Wrote: Here are the relevant rules:
CT13: Rebelling PRISONERS may request to SURRENDER. This means they will BUTTON FREEZE and ask the WARDEN for forgiveness. The WARDEN must acknowledge this request and accept or deny it (without tricking/changing their mind).
D17: Favouritism - This means that GUARDS must treat all PRISONERS equally during the activities of every round, including equal punishment for not following orders, and ensuring that no PRISONER is rewarded without completing an active objective that other PRISONERS have.
CT38: GUARDS cannot play favourites with PRISONERS.
T9: Rebelling PRISONERS may ask the WARDEN for forgiveness. They must BUTTON FREEZE when making this request.
Basically two different things.
If you rebel, you can/will be shot at/killed.
However, if you ask for forgiveness (while button frozen) the warden can forgive you if they want.
Now what you are saying is the warden can't pick favourites with who he forgives.
This is wrong. The warden can forgive only their friends or people they like.
You rebelled and are thus KOS, you asking for forgiveness doesn't mean you automatically get it before someone else does.
Favouritism only affects non-rebelling prisoners in map games or in general.
I.e. you cant let someone sit out or give a better prize to one of the winners, those kinds of things.
Not sure what your suggestion is exactly, I think you are saying Warden should no longer be able to forgive a prisoner that has killed a guard?
Basically Yes. But also making sure that rule "favouritism" is cleared up more on the server for the new players since even the high "PT" players still think that the "Favouritism" rule is applied with rebelling players.
RE: "Favouritism" - Squidward - 19-04-2017
Byte Doesn't rule D17's statement "including equal punishment for not following orders" mean that if two prisoners rebel in the same "fashion" eg. both attempt to rush to armoury, they must receive the same punishment?
RE: "Favouritism" - PhoeniX - 19-04-2017
This whole thing is confusing me. Now I'm not sure if I'm wardening right Xd
RE: "Favouritism" - lank - 19-04-2017
when I started to play it was either forgive 1 person you have to forgive all or forgive no one and no one gets forgiven
RE: "Favouritism" - Byte - 19-04-2017
(19-04-2017/04:51 PM)Squidward Wrote: Byte Doesn't rule D17's statement "including equal punishment for not following orders" mean that if two prisoners rebel in the same "fashion" eg. both attempt to rush to armoury, they must receive the same punishment?
D17 is only a definition, not a rule.
But I guess its a little unclear, for some reasons I didn't think of rebelling when I read 'not following orders'.
I'm not too sure what the best solution is:
- Allow warden to pick who they want to forgive (absolute control), OR
- Warden has to forgive all that did the same crime (i.e. if they forgive 1 person who didn't button freeze, they must forgive all who didn't button freeze)