CT38 Interpretation

[Sleep]

Does it matter? Stop nitpicking just because you feel like it. LR or be shot, not hard.

It's not nitpicking we had this issue where people were doing this (2:36pm nov 5th peanut round 8) to delay the LR period, despite me giving the order and then people saying I can't as a guard, and as such are just trying to clear the issue up.

[Jared Fraser]

Delaying in lr while not in an lr is also against the rules

Hey Jared what rule says this must be missing it.

CT36: Any delaying whilst in a LR (such as running away/hiding in a knife fight) will result in a slay. Other GUARDS can also kill delaying PRISONERS.

Although it doesn't say while not in an lr its common sense, you shouldn't delay the round, people want to play the game. Besides even if its against the rule, thats what the lr in x amount of seconds order is for, to make it so delaying in lr period cant occur, the warden or guards should not delay the round nor should the t's. An example of this is that it isnt ok for the warden to say lr next 8 minutes and let the t just run around and do nothing until the end, its just unreasonable

Why does the rule explicitly state "in a LR" whilst many other rules contain "LR period"?

Because the rules with "Lr period" are enabling the t's or ct's to do things that were deemed against the rules or kos during the normal round, and as I said the rule I posted isnt targeted at people not lr'ing during lr period because there should be no reason for that to occur, the ct's simply have to give a 4 word order to stop any t's delaying by not choosing an lr in lr period. It basically all comes down to that there doesnt really need to be a rule against not delaying by not picking an lr because of both common sense to just lr and that the ct's have the ability to easily stop it by deeming them kos if they don't lr in a set time period that should be decided with common sense

[Juck]

No one is saying you cant give orders for LR. This all happened becuase the warden said LR 50seconds and then you said LR 30seconds and tried to agrue you can overall the warden.

CT4: GUARDS may give out orders to individuals but their orders can be overruled by the WARDEN.

[Craziboy_1]

Does it matter? Stop nitpicking just because you feel like it. LR or be shot, not hard.

It's not nitpicking we had this issue where people were doing this (2:36pm nov 5th peanut round 8) to delay the LR period, despite me giving the order and then people saying I can't as a guard, and as such are just trying to clear the issue up.

more info on this, sleep ordered T's to LR but the Warden and other CT's denied he could make this order. He's wanted to clear up this fact to prevent people from delaying in the LR period. There will be more new players connecting to the server so the clearer the rules are to follow without needing unwritten community guidelines, the better.

[Sleep]

So to make this clearer I think it would be best to change rule 38 to ecompose what people consider to be the rule.

CT38: GUARDS and WARDENS cannot give orders to SURVIVING PRISONERS in any way. This includes telling them to FREEZE. However, they can order that a SURVIVING PRISONER begins an LR within ( at least) 30 seconds and does not come dangerously close to any GUARD.

Does anyone disagree with this?

[Squidward]

Does it matter? Stop nitpicking just because you feel like it. LR or be shot, not hard.

It's not nitpicking we had this issue where people were doing this (2:36pm nov 5th peanut round 8) to delay the LR period, despite me giving the order and then people saying I can't as a guard, and as such are just trying to clear the issue up.

more info on this, sleep ordered T's to LR but the Warden and other CT's denied he could make this order. He's wanted to clear up this fact to prevent people from delaying in the LR period. There will be more new players connecting to the server so the clearer the rules are to follow without needing unwritten community guidelines, the better.

ah gotcha, sorry Sleep, thought you were one of those retards who delay on purpose

[Craziboy_1]

Delaying in lr while not in an lr is also against the rules

Hey Jared what rule says this must be missing it.

CT36: Any delaying whilst in a LR (such as running away/hiding in a knife fight) will result in a slay. Other GUARDS can also kill delaying PRISONERS.

Although it doesn't say while not in an lr its common sense, you shouldn't delay the round, people want to play the game. Besides even if its against the rule, thats what the lr in x amount of seconds order is for, to make it so delaying in lr period cant occur, the warden or guards should not delay the round nor should the t's. An example of this is that it isnt ok for the warden to say lr next 8 minutes and let the t just run around and do nothing until the end, its just unreasonable

Why does the rule explicitly state "in a LR" whilst many other rules contain "LR period"?

Because the rules with "Lr period" are enabling the t's or ct's to do things that were deemed against the rules or kos during the normal round, and as I said the rule I posted isnt targeted at people not lr'ing during lr period because there should be no reason for that to occur, the ct's simply have to give a 4 word order to stop any t's delaying by not choosing an lr in lr period. It basically all comes down to that there doesnt really need to be a rule against not delaying by not picking an lr because of both common sense to just lr and that the ct's have the ability to easily stop it by deeming them kos if they don't lr in a set time period that should be decided with common sense

The problem isn't sleep trying to cause trouble but trying to clarify for those confused and or new. New players will read the T rules and may notice the discrepancy and abuse it, knowingly or not. A future event may occur with a new player on CT and T, learning the map games without LRing because they read it wasn't in the rules.

[Craziboy_1]

tbh why even give orders when you aren't the warden, plus as stated above yes they shouldn't be allowed like 8+ minutes to lr but if its reasonable then its allowed. They aren't forced to lr within the 30 seconds. Its just default and minimum is 20 sec, Its more a guideline not has to only be 30. Anyway as also said above warden over rules any orders given so when you were saying lr within 30 and knifing distance kos isn't valid when jared gave the orders to lr within a minute or whatever

While I can see what CT4 say, CT38 also clearly says there are only 2 orders that can be given. Sure, warden could say knifing distance isn't kos but there is no reason for warden to increase or decrease LR time window as setting it below 30 seconds is unfair and against what CT38 says and increasing it above 30 seconds goes against CT38 and can be seen as delaying.

"tbh why even give orders when you aren't the warden, plus as stated above yes they shouldn't be allowed like 8+ minutes to lr but if its reasonable then its allowed." It should never be viewed reasonable to delegate 8+ minutes to LR.

"They aren't forced to lr within the 30 seconds" Yes they are, CT38 forces them to.

"Its just default and minimum is 20 sec, Its more a guideline not has to only be 30." Nowhere does it say that the minimum time is 20 seconds, this is why clarity is needed as people have their own interpretations . CT38 says 30 seconds, no more, no less.

[Craziboy_1]

We dont need the rules change, Just stop trying to take every single word for what it says and have common sense

First,rules are made to be followed, if people cant take them word for word they are crap. People also lack common sense and knowledge of the English language as exampled by your elegant spelling.

[Jared Fraser]

tbh why even give orders when you aren't the warden, plus as stated above yes they shouldn't be allowed like 8+ minutes to lr but if its reasonable then its allowed. They aren't forced to lr within the 30 seconds. Its just default and minimum is 20 sec, Its more a guideline not has to only be 30. Anyway as also said above warden over rules any orders given so when you were saying lr within 30 and knifing distance kos isn't valid when jared gave the orders to lr within a minute or whatever

While I can see what CT4 say, CT38 also clearly says there are only 2 orders that can be given. Sure, warden could say knifing distance isn't kos but there is no reason for warden to increase or decrease LR time window as setting it below 30 seconds is unfair and against what CT38 says and increasing it above 30 seconds goes against CT38 and can be seen as delaying.

"tbh why even give orders when you aren't the warden, plus as stated above yes they shouldn't be allowed like 8+ minutes to lr but if its reasonable then its allowed." It should never be viewed reasonable to delegate 8+ minutes to LR.

"They aren't forced to lr within the 30 seconds" Yes they are, CT38 forces them to.

"Its just default and minimum is 20 sec, Its more a guideline not has to only be 30." Nowhere does it say that the minimum time is 20 seconds, this is why clarity is needed as people have their own interpretations . CT38 says 30 seconds, no more, no less.

As I said before it is on a case to case basis and lr'ing in 30 seconds could be unreasonable such as that of a situation i gave above. A t trapped in hard race on renegade is at risk of death, they might not be able to start some lr's they want to do inside of hard race as it could increase their change of dying (e.g. the speed boost from speed knife fight or getting 1hp from dodgeball) and so I can be seen as reasonable and not delaying to slightly increase the lr timer, allowing the t's to get out of the situation and then proceed

This is the last post I'm making on this thread as it's going on a large tangent and getting out of hand, I think its best just to leave it to staff now