CT38 Interpretation

[Saanta]

Craziboy_1 i dont think you realize but ive been living on the server for years now. Thats besides the point but i know the rules, rules are as clear as day and the fact that you are trying to pick out things and say that it is the rule that it has to be 30 seconds isnt true. Everyone knows that you are allowed to give more time and it isnt delay if someone is trying to do a lr and try find a place for it. Of course if there is a intentional delay then yes you are allowed to tell them to hurry up or kill them. But it is NOT against the rules to increase or decrease the time. Im not sure about the exact time minimum you are allowed to give them but everyone who is replying is a old player who knows these rules as we have all played with them for many years. Im not attacking but the fact that you and sleep seem to be nit picking this seems to be quite annoying.
Leevie Squidward Jared Fraser Seth

EDIT: Also the fact you wanna be that low enough to act more professional and be scummy enough to try rip into my spelling and grammar just shows that you are just trying to stir shit up

[Sleep]

So as can be shown via this thread all types of members are blindly following unwritten community guidelines when it comes to certain rules. This is why clarity is needed in regards to vague rules such as these that contradict with other rules. Most people commenting seem to contridct one another and hence the post was made to clarify, hopefully the staff are able to clear this situation up.

CT38: GUARDS and WARDENS cannot give orders to SURVIVING PRISONERS in any way. This includes telling them to FREEZE. However, they can order that a SURVIVING PRISONER begins an LR within 30 seconds and does not come dangerously close to any GUARD.

[Craziboy_1]

tbh why even give orders when you aren't the warden, plus as stated above yes they shouldn't be allowed like 8+ minutes to lr but if its reasonable then its allowed. They aren't forced to lr within the 30 seconds. Its just default and minimum is 20 sec, Its more a guideline not has to only be 30. Anyway as also said above warden over rules any orders given so when you were saying lr within 30 and knifing distance kos isn't valid when jared gave the orders to lr within a minute or whatever

While I can see what CT4 say, CT38 also clearly says there are only 2 orders that can be given. Sure, warden could say knifing distance isn't kos but there is no reason for warden to increase or decrease LR time window as setting it below 30 seconds is unfair and against what CT38 says and increasing it above 30 seconds goes against CT38 and can be seen as delaying.

"tbh why even give orders when you aren't the warden, plus as stated above yes they shouldn't be allowed like 8+ minutes to lr but if its reasonable then its allowed." It should never be viewed reasonable to delegate 8+ minutes to LR.

"They aren't forced to lr within the 30 seconds" Yes they are, CT38 forces them to.

"Its just default and minimum is 20 sec, Its more a guideline not has to only be 30." Nowhere does it say that the minimum time is 20 seconds, this is why clarity is needed as people have their own interpretations . CT38 says 30 seconds, no more, no less.

As I said before it is on a case to case basis and lr'ing in 30 seconds could be unreasonable such as that of a situation i gave above. A t trapped in hard race on renegade is at risk of death, they might not be able to do some lr's they want as it could increase their change of dying (e.g. speed knife fight or dodgeball) and so I can be seen as reasonable and not delaying to slightly increase the lr timer, allowing the t's to get out of the situation and then proceed

This is the last post I'm making on this thread as it's going on a large tangent and getting out of hand, I think its best just to leave it to staff now

This is a very niche situation but can fall under reasonable lr extention. However, leaving the rule as vague as it is for this one situation is unreasonable and some form of edit or community edit should be made to patch up these holes new players can find and exploit as they lack  any sort of consequences

[Craziboy_1]

Craziboy_1 i dont think you realize but ive been living on the server for years now. Thats besides the point but i know the rules, rules are as clear as day and the fact that you are trying to pick out things and say that it is the rule that it has to be 30 seconds isnt true. Everyone knows that you are allowed to give more time and it isnt delay if someone is trying to do a lr and try find a place for it. Of course if there is a intentional delay then yes you are allowed to tell them to hurry up or kill them. But it is NOT against the rules to increase or decrease the time. Im not sure about the exact time minimum you are allowed to give them but everyone who is replying is a old player who knows these rules as we have all played with them for many years. Im not attacking but the fact that you and sleep seem to be nit picking this seems to be quite annoying.
Leevie Squidward Jared Fraser Seth

You clearly show that you don't. You're pulling numbers out of nowhere where the only numbers shown in the Jailbreak RULES page is CT38. The exact fact that old players are replying with their own interpretations of the vague rules is exactly what we are trying to point out. There is no clear expectation or rule to guide new players through the LR period in a timely fashion. Forget your bias opinions of sleep and I and see that a quick edit or easy to spot forum post should be made for new players who are learning to play. It is unreasonable to expect NEW players to use 'common sense' to guess what they should and shouldn't do.

[stu]

can we not go through this bullshit where you nitpicked all the rules to a point where everyone started hating you. Shit like this killed JB last time.

[Craziboy_1]

can we not go through this bullshit where you nitpicked all the rules to a point where everyone started hating you. Shit like this killed JB last time.

Can you tell us why changing or editing 2 year old rules is impossible?

[Byte]

Okay so I was originally in charge of adding this rule.

Basically the idea is, once you hit the LR period as a T you become a little 'free' and can move around and relax (stop following orders).
Its your reward for surviving until the end of the round which is different to what most other servers do.
I strongly feel like this is more fun and laid back.

The only 2 orders guards (any guard) can provide is to not come dangerously close (to prevent easily backstab rebels) and to start LR within 30 seconds.

Delaying is still against the rules and any intentional/lengthy delays will be hit up with warn/slay/swap/ct ban etc. You can play out the LR however you like but sitting knifing a wall for 5 minutes won't flow.

What issues/suggestions do people have with the rule?

ALSO: Wrong section, moving this to Jailbreak discussion.

[Sleep]

Okay so I was originally in charge of adding this rule.

Basically the idea is, once you hit the LR period as a T you become a little 'free' and can move around and relax (stop following orders).
Its your reward for surviving until the end of the round which is different to what most other servers do.
I strongly feel like this is more fun and laid back.

The only 2 orders guards (any guard) can provide is to not come dangerously close (to prevent easily backstab rebels) and to start LR within 30 seconds.

Delaying is still against the rules and any intentional/lengthy delays will be hit up with warn/slay/swap/ct ban etc. You can play out the LR however you like but sitting knifing a wall for 5 minutes won't flow.

What issues/suggestions do people have with the rule?

ALSO: Wrong section, moving this to Jailbreak discussion.

So are guards able to say to start the LR within 20 seconds or 1 minute or is it only 30 seconds?

[Saanta]

Personally i think the rules should stay the same as there is no issues with them

[Katsu]

Okay so I was originally in charge of adding this rule.

Basically the idea is, once you hit the LR period as a T you become a little 'free' and can move around and relax (stop following orders).
Its your reward for surviving until the end of the round which is different to what most other servers do.
I strongly feel like this is more fun and laid back.

The only 2 orders guards (any guard) can provide is to not come dangerously close (to prevent easily backstab rebels) and to start LR within 30 seconds.

Delaying is still against the rules and any intentional/lengthy delays will be hit up with warn/slay/swap/ct ban etc. You can play out the LR however you like but sitting knifing a wall for 5 minutes won't flow.

What issues/suggestions do people have with the rule?

ALSO: Wrong section, moving this to Jailbreak discussion.

So are guards able to say to start the LR within 20 seconds or 1 minute or is it only 30 seconds?

 The rule says 30 seconds just do 30 seconds dude why tf does it have to be overcomplicated for?